On 16th of June, the State of Arizona reported 2,392 new cases of Covid-19. The day before, 1014. To date there have been 39,097 cases in total, and 1,219 deaths. Lisa Phillips talks to me about trying to stay sane and safe in a state where many people resolutely refuse to take Covid-19 as a serious personal threat. We talk about home working, crazy conspiracy theories and Covid-Karaoke. Which is actually just Karaoke, but ignoring the Covid bit.